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Saturday, 23 April 2011

The English Democrats: a civic nationalist dustbin

The following article was recently published on Lee Barnes' blog, 21st Century British Nationalism. While the pretended distinction which Lee tries to draw between nationalism and patriotism is unconvincing, and does a serious injustice to the meaning of the word patriot, he nevertheless makes some important observations which are true, with regard both to the English Democrats, and to certain individuals who have been publicly promoting them.

Tuesday, 5 April 2011

Chris Bev and the EDP

All the best to Chris Bev as regards him leaving the BNP and standing as a candidate for the EDP, but I believe he has made a serious mistake.

Everyone knows that for the last six months many ex members of the BNP, such as Eddy Butler, Jim Dowson, Paul Golding and Mark Collett, have all been working either directly or indirectly with the English Democrats Party whilst pushing for reform in the BNP.

( I have spoken to Eddy and he states that there has been no plan to filter people into the EDP and that the fact that he 'bigs up' the EDP as an alternative to the BNP is concidental ).

Not only was this fundamentally dishonest, it has damaged both the case for reform in the BNP and also ensured that any future leadership challengers will be regarded with suspicion. [Emphasis mine, AE].

It appears that the reform group have realised that the process has been flawed from the start, and are therefore now simply jumping ship. [On the contrary, most of us are preparing to support a leadership challenge, AE].

The English Democrats are a civic nationalist party.

They are not ethno-nationalist, racial nationalist or even cultural nationalists.

They believe that as long as you live in England, then you are English.

This is total nonsense.

There are the Ethnic English Folk who create and sustain English culture, culturally integrated English civic citizens from non-Ethnic English heritage and then there are colonists.

The basis of England is the indigenous English people who create and sustain indigenous English culture.

The moment you change the ethnic nature of a nation, the nation is undermined.

If China invaded England and ethnically cleansed the entire indigenous English people from England and imported in millions of colonists, do you think England would exist ?

Of course not, the colonists would impose their own chinese culture on English territory.

A culture comes from the people.

Remove the people, and you remove the culture of that nation.

For Chris Bev to go from the racial nationalism of the BNP to the civic nationalism of the EDP is illogical.

Either the EDP are being fundamentally dishonest or Chris Bev has jumped too soon.

Here is what the EDP say on their website ;


" Our party welcomes anyone on the electoral roll of England to join, irrespective of background. All who identify with and feel themselves to be English are welcome. "


"The People of England

The people of England are all those UK citizens who live in England. In electoral terms, the people of England are all those UK citizens who are on the electoral roll of an English constituency. The people of England therefore includes the people of many nations, all of whom share a common UK citizenship. "

See what I mean.

Totally pathetic.

There is no committment by the EDP to the three nationalist fundamentals ;

1) to the principle of protecting the demographic numerical superiority of the indigenous English people in perpetuity,

2) no committment to the principle that England and English culture derive from the indigenous English people and that all immigrants must integrate or be deported and that all immigration must stop

3) and no statement that the EDP will work to ensure the removal of all colonists to ensure the continued demographic superiority of the indigenous English people in perpetuity within England.

In fact the statements reveal a fundamental lack of knowledge as regards who the English people are and why England will vanish without them.

That is not a NATIONALIST position.

That is a PATRIOTIC position.

Those who love their folk are NATIONALISTS.

Those who love their country are PATRIOTS.

Chris Bev is a NATIONALIST primarily and a patriot secondly.

A nationalist realises that an England without the indigenous English people is not England, it is a multi-cultural hell hole.

A nationalist will rise up and resist the government of his own country in order to protect his people.

A patriot is simply a lickspittle of whatever corporate media elected political puppet government is in power, and their cry of 'My country right and wrong' is the cry of the feeble minded idiot.

For nationalists to confuse patriotism with nationalism, shows us that the nationalist movement has been led by idiots who have no idea of the politics they are espousing to the people.

If nationalists do not know the difference between nationalism and patriotism, then why should we blame the British people if they also do not know the difference.


If a corrupt British puppet government of the UN, EU or the Murdoch Media Empire decided to open the borders of Britain up and allow in millions upon millions of immigrant colonists into Britain to colonise my country and turn the indigenous people of Britain into a minority in our own country, then I would not be supporting that government or my country by saying 'my country and government right or wrong'.

If Germany had invaded England during WW2 and the British government signed a peace deal whereby Britain was governed by a joint British-German government, would I have sat back and said 'well they are the government and I love my country' ?


I would not have been building bridges between the German colonists and the British people, I would have been out in the woods with the rest of the British National Resistance Movement blowing bridges up.

If either of those scenarios occurred then I would be labelled by those governments as a 'terrorist' whilst I would define myself as a 'freedom fighter'.

My enemy would have been my own 'government' as much as the German colonists.

Any Englishman who would sit on their arse whilst their country is colonised and their own folk are dispossessed of their homeland and culture is a pathetic traitor.

The EDP cannot win political power.

Even if they did, they would not be able to solve Englands problems - in fact as they repudiate the idea that the ethnic English create and sustain England and English culture, then they would substantially aggravate the problems for us as British Nationalists.

They would be first ones bleating about 'racism' as we began the deportation of their pseudo-English voting base comprised of colonists who self define themselves as English but who have no regard for the rights of the indigenous Ethnic English people.

English Civic Nationalism is the enemy of both the indigenous English and British Nationalism.

If Chris Bev has not understood that then he needs to get on board with the programme ASAP.

As it is he will not win his council seat back, simply as people do not like politicians who are turncoats.

English Nationalism is the wave that has crested and crashed, it is not the wave of the future.

The political wave of the future is British Cultural Nationalism.


  1. A lot of patriots in the USA would very much disagree with your statement: "A patriot is simply a lickspittle of whatever corporate media elected political puppet government is in power, and their cry of 'My country right and wrong' is the cry of the feeble minded idiot."

    Your definition of patriot is the one you would expect from the government's perspective, while most actual patriots tend to be of the 'historical' type: i.e. in the USA they want the ideology of the constitution to be respected, and in the UK they would be supporters of the Magna Carta.

  2. wimwauters

    This is not my article but was written by the former legal officer of the British National Party, Lee Barnes.

    I agree with your criticism of Lee's tendentious definition of the word patriot, to the meaning of which he has to do violence in order to set up a specious contradistinction between it and the word nationalist, which are in fact synonyms.